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| Subject: Bring Back Hanging Fri Jun 03, 2011 11:22 am | |
| http://uk.news.yahoo.com/jaycee-kidnap-phillip-garrido-gets-431-years-195416954.html
Phillip Garrido has been sentenced to a total of 431 years in jail for his role in the kidnap and sex assault of Jaycee Lee Dugard.
The 60-year-old's wife Nancy has been jailed for life, with a minimum of 36 years.
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wiseguy Admin
Number of posts : 28549 Age : 63 Location : Uranus Registration date : 2008-05-15
| Subject: Re: Bring Back Hanging Fri Jun 03, 2011 11:38 am | |
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kelly member
Number of posts : 5981 Location : ramsgate kent Registration date : 2011-03-25
| Subject: Re: Bring Back Hanging Fri Jun 03, 2011 12:31 pm | |
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ladyluck senior member
Number of posts : 6598 Age : 51 Location : SWIMMING IN A VAT OF GUINESS Registration date : 2010-11-15
| Subject: Re: Bring Back Hanging Sat Jun 04, 2011 6:43 pm | |
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wiseguy Admin
Number of posts : 28549 Age : 63 Location : Uranus Registration date : 2008-05-15
| Subject: Re: Bring Back Hanging Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:07 pm | |
| for what type of crimes should capital punishment be reintroduced? | |
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Hunnyluvs super member
Number of posts : 113 Age : 64 Location : New England Registration date : 2011-10-01
| Subject: Re: Bring Back Hanging Fri Jan 13, 2012 8:22 pm | |
| Well, the thing about capital punishment is it's based on the idea that two wrongs make a right.
Moreover -as a consequence for murder for example- it amounts to murdering someone who murdered someone to show that murdering is wrong.
When a student posed it to me that way and asked how this is ok, I could not say it was, because I'd have never been able to rationally defend it to him. The only real actual reason i could offer as to why we'd do such a thing is because violence begets violence and we approve of that.
I agree the crime referenced here was particularly heinous but murder is still murder. If we have to lock someone away for our safety, ok. If we can help the individual somehow, ok. But I cant imagine killing being anything but a violent impulse we ALL can experience under certain circumstances, but we shouldn't follow it, or we aren't civilized after all. | |
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wiseguy Admin
Number of posts : 28549 Age : 63 Location : Uranus Registration date : 2008-05-15
| Subject: Re: Bring Back Hanging Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:09 pm | |
| i think its a good deterent i would chop the lot off rapists and peado,s and for a 2nd offence death be it why pay to keep them in jail | |
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johno Moderator
Number of posts : 112917 Location : scotland Registration date : 2008-08-01
| Subject: Re: Bring Back Hanging Fri Jan 13, 2012 11:16 pm | |
| agreed bring back the death penalty a deterant is badly needed | |
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ladylinda
Number of posts : 18 Age : 45 Location : England Registration date : 2012-01-11
| Subject: Re: Bring Back Hanging Sat Jan 14, 2012 12:14 am | |
| IMO, capital punishment should only be for murder.
If you take a life IMO you should lose your own life. | |
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wiseguy Admin
Number of posts : 28549 Age : 63 Location : Uranus Registration date : 2008-05-15
| Subject: Re: Bring Back Hanging Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:36 am | |
| - ladylinda wrote:
- IMO, capital punishment should only be for murder.
If you take a life IMO you should lose your own life. so what do we do with rapists,child molesters? | |
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Hunnyluvs super member
Number of posts : 113 Age : 64 Location : New England Registration date : 2011-10-01
| Subject: Re: Bring Back Hanging Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:54 am | |
| As much as I'm against it, i think if the NWO* started an armed revolution and shot my whole government as the high criminals they are, I'd applaud and eagerly embrace the change.
So that might be something to have capital punishment for: when someone commits crimes that harm people by the millions.
*{The NWO is organized nationwide protests in the US. They plan - in July- to hold a people's congress and form a declaration of what changes we want. And I'm saying, if we do this, and the government does not comply, immediately, and don't adulterate it, then shoot them, and their kids too. (ah, oh, well ,remember bush "junior"? yep, the kids too. get rid of the lot. gone.)}
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Hunnyluvs super member
Number of posts : 113 Age : 64 Location : New England Registration date : 2011-10-01
| Subject: Re: Bring Back Hanging Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:12 am | |
| Rapists and child molesters can be locked safely away from us if they genuinely can't be helped (rehabilitated). I don't mind the expense. I just think causing anyone to suffer is inhumane. Even if they have caused suffering, still, it makes us guilty of the same crime as them if we commit cruelty back against someone who committed cruelty. It's actually hypocritical , I'm saying, to for example abuse someone for committing abuse, or beat and cage someone who beat and/or caged (kidnapped, as another example) someone, see?
Also I'd note that "an eye for an eye" is why there's no peace in the Middle East. I mean there those people are fighting back and forth endlessly over dry bits of Jesus Land to claim as their own, and meanwhile they don't give a sh*t about "love thy neighbor" or "turn the other cheek" (<--and that's our point here. to inflict punishment is NOT 'turning the cheek", it is in fact continuing the fight, by guaranteeing that they will want to retaliate, and so you will want to retaliate again, and they will, and you will. Turn the other cheek means STOP IT. It means NO retaliating. Not once. Help instead. Love each other. -even the right bastards, yes.
So I'm saying when we "punish" a criminal, we are retaliating, and if retaliating is wrong to do, then it's wrong for us to do in all cases. Just as abuse, or battery, or murder, etc. If these things are wrong to do we must not do them ourselves, or we are not fit to judge another after all..
So this is why I'm I'm opposed to "punishment" of any kind. I think we need to help people, even if what they did was horrible, help them, don't create more suffering in the universe. It hurts the whole human psyche. | |
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ladylinda
Number of posts : 18 Age : 45 Location : England Registration date : 2012-01-11
| Subject: Re: Bring Back Hanging Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:59 pm | |
| - wiseguy wrote:
- ladylinda wrote:
- IMO, capital punishment should only be for murder.
If you take a life IMO you should lose your own life. so what do we do with rapists,child molesters? I believe in proportionate punishment why is why I support a life for a life. With nonces and rapists I'd cut off their equipment (without anaesthetic) and lock them up for life. If you haven't killed anyone you don't deserve to forfeit your own life. If you have then you do. It's called taking a consistent moral position. | |
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wiseguy Admin
Number of posts : 28549 Age : 63 Location : Uranus Registration date : 2008-05-15
| Subject: Re: Bring Back Hanging Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:28 am | |
| i would 1st offence castration 2nd offence de tooled 3rd offence put to sleep permantly | |
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johno Moderator
Number of posts : 112917 Location : scotland Registration date : 2008-08-01
| Subject: Re: Bring Back Hanging Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:40 pm | |
| [quote="wiseguy"]i would 1st offence castration.........................he wouldnt have the inclination after that... 2nd offence de tooled ....he would nt be able to go to your next stage after that 3rd offence put to sleep permantly......why not do that in the first instance..... | |
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mazzie senior member
Number of posts : 5550 Age : 74 Location : bonnie scotland Registration date : 2009-05-24
| Subject: Re: Bring Back Hanging Sat Feb 04, 2012 4:26 pm | |
| - Hunnyluvs wrote:
So I'm saying when we "punish" a criminal, we are retaliating, and if retaliating is wrong to do, then it's wrong for us to do in all cases. Just as abuse, or battery, or murder, etc. If these things are wrong to do we must not do them ourselves, or we are not fit to judge another after all..
So this is why I'm I'm opposed to "punishment" of any kind. I think we need to help people, even if what they did was horrible, help them, don't create more suffering in the universe. It hurts the whole human psyche. So what you appear to be saying here is that criminals should walk free and be given help and support to stop them from re-offending. That's the most ridiculous argument I've ever heard. People who commit violent crime, or indeed crime of any kind, deserve to be punished in some way. Whether or not one agrees with the death penalty is irrelevant but they definitely deserve to be punished. Its unrealistic to think that we can ever live in a world where rapists, murderers, robbers........or indeed any other kind of offender can be allowed to walk free among us to commit more and more crimes. I'm having difficulty understanding how you think that's going to help anyone. Its not going to help the general public or the offender. He needs to be punished in some way in order for him to understand that his actions are not going to be tolerated and the members of the public have to be protected from people who are out to do them harm. | |
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CumberCookieCrumble. super member
Number of posts : 120 Age : 45 Location : 221B Baker Street ;) Registration date : 2014-01-06
| Subject: Re: Bring Back Hanging Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:47 pm | |
| - wiseguy wrote:
- ladylinda wrote:
- IMO, capital punishment should only be for murder.
If you take a life IMO you should lose your own life. so what do we do with rapists,child molesters? Stick them all on an island and let them abuse each other. As for hanging I see this as the easy way out for them. Bring back the torture chamber and make them suffer. | |
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